His face was sguare halfway o the back swing ! no compensatio on the wy
down ?
Like others have said here, the position you say is closed is actually
square. His left wrist is flat at that point and he maintains that same
position throughout the swing. If the blade rotates open to the top of the
swing like you say, his left wrist would have to be in a cupped position.?
Club face was definitely square halfway back, ie It was parallel to his
spine angle and perfectly square not closed. I’m off plus 3hcp. Sorry but
gotta call it when i see it.?
Check out this video on YouTube:?
Not a very pretty swing (like Adam Scott or Rory Mcilroy) but he gets the
job done. His finish looks a little weird and I always think (at least with
the irons) that he’s hit it fat. ?
He is as close to a natural as you get. Open invitation to play as my guest
at St Andrews Country Club in Boca Raton. ?
Learnt something new 2 days ago…. playing off 12…. lol… I shot 4 over
gross…. instead of rolling the wrists… my coach taught me to flick…
at impact… I now get true pure distance with … fantastic accuracy.
Super video… ?
Hmmm. I’d say his club face is square to it’s arc in his take-away, not
closed. If the face angle is the same as the spine angle, the face is still
square to it’s arc, same as at set-up. If the toe is straight up, it is
open to the spine angle, and open to it’s arc.
His head is actually raising AND moving away from the target just prior to
impact; a powerful move which helps “sling” the club through the ball.
If you watch Jordan go through his pre-shot routine in back of the ball,
you will note his rehearsal back swings bring his hands only to shoulder
height. When he actually swings, he takes the hands much further up. My bet
is if he executed his back swing the same as his rehearsal, he’d be just as
powerful, and have far fewer leaky shots.
I love his squat coming down, That compresses the coil which forces it to
unwind faster. Us old farts can’t do that so well, and keeping the head
level works.
As always, great analysis Clay. I know we don’t agree on every detail, but,
I still enjoy your vids, some of the best on YT.?
Can you take a look and comment tips on how to improve my swing on my
channel? Thanks! Im a 14 yr old golfer looking for some tips:)?
is it ok for your hips to be well ahead of the rest of your body? ive heard
you want your belt buckel pointed at your target at impact.?
His club face is not closed halfway back on the takeaway. It matches his
spine angle. Rolling the club face open to get the toe up will get the
club stuck behind you on the down swing unless we come over top of it with
the shoulders. Just a thought….?
Ok, I know that this is an old video – but really – could your draw more
arrows, and other lines John Madden – way too many things going on to take
away any value – focus on 1 or 2 key fundamentals – this is just going to
screw people up. ?
he doesn’t rotate he folds the right arm?
Nice. Thank you
?
T time.?
The famous Sam Snead “squat”. They didn’t call him Slammin’ Sam for
nothing. He routinely drove the ball 300 yds. w/ a persimmon wood driver
and a steel shaft. The bit about Speith having to compensate for a closed
club face going back is not accurate. In a one piece take away, if the
wrists are completely neutral, as Speith’s are, the club face will
naturally be looking at the ground. Try it. Coming back down, no
compensation is needed to square the club face at impact. That’s the beauty
of the one piece take away. Timing the hands/wrists is impossible, so best
to leave them out of it entirely.?
The shut clubface helps to smash the ball down w/o rolling the wrists.
Perfect impact position.?
He did not have to make any compensations to get the club opened up at the
top? He simply keeps the right arm on top a little bit longer holding off
the rotation of the forearms. Once his right arm folds his club opens up
naturally. This could be done to to avoid a flat backswing. But if he
rotated his forearms in a way to “compensate” as you suggest he would be
laid off.
Good question, the shoulders will turn on an arc around the spine, both in
the backswing and in the downswing. We all have a strong knowledge of the
ball flight laws. We have used FlightScope radars quite a bit. The ball
flight laws are really very simple. You are only determining the difference
in path vs. face direction. Is there anything in particular you had a
question about? ~Clay Ballard
That is fine. I was only pointing out the differences moves that would need
to take place in order to get to the same spot. He is rotating the forearms
very little in the first half, and twice as much in the second half of the
backswing. You could also rotate them gradually throughout. The idea is
that so many people get caught up in a position and lose sight of what is
really happening in general. He arrives at a nice position at the top of
the swing. ~Clay Ballard
Jordan has mentioned that his fault is getting too flat so it makes sense.
just wondering thinking about becoming a member!
do you believe the shoulders turn on an arc during the back stroke? how
well does rotary swing understand the new ball flight laws?
His face was sguare halfway o the back swing ! no compensatio on the wy
down ?
Like others have said here, the position you say is closed is actually
square. His left wrist is flat at that point and he maintains that same
position throughout the swing. If the blade rotates open to the top of the
swing like you say, his left wrist would have to be in a cupped position.?
Club face was definitely square halfway back, ie It was parallel to his
spine angle and perfectly square not closed. I’m off plus 3hcp. Sorry but
gotta call it when i see it.?
Check out this video on YouTube:?
Not a very pretty swing (like Adam Scott or Rory Mcilroy) but he gets the
job done. His finish looks a little weird and I always think (at least with
the irons) that he’s hit it fat. ?
He is as close to a natural as you get. Open invitation to play as my guest
at St Andrews Country Club in Boca Raton. ?
Learnt something new 2 days ago…. playing off 12…. lol… I shot 4 over
gross…. instead of rolling the wrists… my coach taught me to flick…
at impact… I now get true pure distance with … fantastic accuracy.
Super video… ?
Hmmm. I’d say his club face is square to it’s arc in his take-away, not
closed. If the face angle is the same as the spine angle, the face is still
square to it’s arc, same as at set-up. If the toe is straight up, it is
open to the spine angle, and open to it’s arc.
His head is actually raising AND moving away from the target just prior to
impact; a powerful move which helps “sling” the club through the ball.
If you watch Jordan go through his pre-shot routine in back of the ball,
you will note his rehearsal back swings bring his hands only to shoulder
height. When he actually swings, he takes the hands much further up. My bet
is if he executed his back swing the same as his rehearsal, he’d be just as
powerful, and have far fewer leaky shots.
I love his squat coming down, That compresses the coil which forces it to
unwind faster. Us old farts can’t do that so well, and keeping the head
level works.
As always, great analysis Clay. I know we don’t agree on every detail, but,
I still enjoy your vids, some of the best on YT.?
Can you take a look and comment tips on how to improve my swing on my
channel? Thanks! Im a 14 yr old golfer looking for some tips:)?
is it ok for your hips to be well ahead of the rest of your body? ive heard
you want your belt buckel pointed at your target at impact.?
His club face is not closed halfway back on the takeaway. It matches his
spine angle. Rolling the club face open to get the toe up will get the
club stuck behind you on the down swing unless we come over top of it with
the shoulders. Just a thought….?
Ok, I know that this is an old video – but really – could your draw more
arrows, and other lines John Madden – way too many things going on to take
away any value – focus on 1 or 2 key fundamentals – this is just going to
screw people up. ?
he doesn’t rotate he folds the right arm?
Nice. Thank you
?
T time.?
The famous Sam Snead “squat”. They didn’t call him Slammin’ Sam for
nothing. He routinely drove the ball 300 yds. w/ a persimmon wood driver
and a steel shaft. The bit about Speith having to compensate for a closed
club face going back is not accurate. In a one piece take away, if the
wrists are completely neutral, as Speith’s are, the club face will
naturally be looking at the ground. Try it. Coming back down, no
compensation is needed to square the club face at impact. That’s the beauty
of the one piece take away. Timing the hands/wrists is impossible, so best
to leave them out of it entirely.?
The shut clubface helps to smash the ball down w/o rolling the wrists.
Perfect impact position.?
He did not have to make any compensations to get the club opened up at the
top? He simply keeps the right arm on top a little bit longer holding off
the rotation of the forearms. Once his right arm folds his club opens up
naturally. This could be done to to avoid a flat backswing. But if he
rotated his forearms in a way to “compensate” as you suggest he would be
laid off.
Good question, the shoulders will turn on an arc around the spine, both in
the backswing and in the downswing. We all have a strong knowledge of the
ball flight laws. We have used FlightScope radars quite a bit. The ball
flight laws are really very simple. You are only determining the difference
in path vs. face direction. Is there anything in particular you had a
question about? ~Clay Ballard
That is fine. I was only pointing out the differences moves that would need
to take place in order to get to the same spot. He is rotating the forearms
very little in the first half, and twice as much in the second half of the
backswing. You could also rotate them gradually throughout. The idea is
that so many people get caught up in a position and lose sight of what is
really happening in general. He arrives at a nice position at the top of
the swing. ~Clay Ballard
Jordan has mentioned that his fault is getting too flat so it makes sense.
just wondering thinking about becoming a member!
do you believe the shoulders turn on an arc during the back stroke? how
well does rotary swing understand the new ball flight laws?