Ben Hogan delivered the club into the ball through the shaft plane not the
elbow plane. His takeaway was on the shaft plane, he brought the club back
deep and the butt of the club up to the elbow plane at the top and
transitioned back to the shaft plane on the way down,?
Nice video. Actually one of the best I’ve seen.
But when you say things like ” have a perfect plane with two easy moves and
never worry etc” sounds like one of those loose weight fast infomercials –
I’m extremely suspicious.
Chrs for the video?
Just show the whole video instead of part of it then wanting money.if you
want to share free instruction then do it on youtybe. Unsubscribed?
Thanks! The consept improves my address a lot ,less hesitating on tee
ground. ?
Hi Chuck, I have some questions about the one plane swing: is the one plane
swing, compared to parallel plane, #1 limited weight shift and transfer, #2
one plane swings arms around body more (unlike the upward motion), and #3
what kind of ball flight is more natural for the one plane swing, the draw
or the fade? Thanks! I am also thinking about joining the membership but I
want to create a one plane swing and saw that RST is more two plane for
most people. What do you think? Thanks again!
Thanks, Ian!
1. You could do either in a one plane swing. 2. The arms will travel around
the body more. 3. Ideally, the path would be “zeroed” out, so it would be
just as likely for a fade or a draw. Same for a 2 plane. With one plane,
you are limiting your distance and must be flexible in your shoulders. If
you don’t have a lot of distance to spare I wouldn’t recommend it. We would
be somewhere between one plane and two plane. Very similar to what you
would see with Adam Scott or Tiger Woods. ~Clay Ballard
Do you think dropping the club down to the inside like Rory does is a more
powerful move?
Great vid thanks 😉
Thanks John! ~Clay Ballard
(cont) … The clubhead is controlled by a complex set of levers and
fulcrums …. to attempt to reduce it something simple such as single lever
(or even two) is the undermine the complex marriage of body parts. Just as
with the shaft droop, the lines of force cannot be made to pass cleanly
through a plane or “planes” Some methods try (Moe”s) but fail to deliver
ultimate performance by losing out somewhere. IMO, of course 🙂
Having seen the term “Rotary Swing” I came here expecting a “method” and
the same old spin. However, I was pleasantly surprised by what I found. In
an era where the is so much zealous promotion of various methods … all
seeming to claim the high ground … it’s nice to see some good balanced
analysis for a change. We are all individuals … methods do not
necessarily “map” to our bodies nor our psychological make-up. Will watch
the videos and good luck to you 🙂
I don’t quite understand the ‘droop’ concept does that mean I should have
my starting position of club to ball more lined up with the heel to take
droop into account when returning to impact?
No, you will automatically do this. You won’t need to make any changes. The
lie angle of the club already compensated for this.
Thanks SearchBucket2. Good luck with your golf game. You will get a lot of
great free instruction when you sign up for a free membership. You can
click the link in the description of this video above. You get new videos
every week and there is no cost to you at all. Good Luck!! ~Clay Ballard.
Not sure. It is probably around 2010. He still swings this way in regards
to club plane. ~Clay Ballard
No, he is just flattening the plane of the club. This has nothing to do
with power. If you were to get under the plane and stuck, you could flip
the club and get some extra distance, but that would be really
inconsistent.
Cool video
The last post was by me, Clay, by the way. I forgot to make a note of that.
I believe there are 4 “planes” maybe more (hips?)…. and an arm rotation!
Spine, shoulders, arms and club shaft. The spine controls the track of
shoulders. The shoulders control the track of the arms. The arms control
the track of shaft. The shaft controls the track of the clubhead. Different
swing methods are different ways these motions can be expressed, but the
path the clubhead is always a blend of these movements with subtle curves;
the swing is not reducible to 1 or 2 planes. IMO 😉
I couldn’t agree more. Swing plane is very over rated. Jack Nicklaus, Tiger
Woods and Ben Hogan all had very different swing planes throughout the
swing. But coming through impact they are all on the elbow plane. The real
keys to success lie in the movement of the body. When you control the body
properly, everything else falls into place. We go over all of this on the
full site. You would really enjoy the videos. Good luck with your swing.
~Clay Ballard
Ben Hogan delivered the club into the ball through the shaft plane not the
elbow plane. His takeaway was on the shaft plane, he brought the club back
deep and the butt of the club up to the elbow plane at the top and
transitioned back to the shaft plane on the way down,?
Nice video. Actually one of the best I’ve seen.
But when you say things like ” have a perfect plane with two easy moves and
never worry etc” sounds like one of those loose weight fast infomercials –
I’m extremely suspicious.
Chrs for the video?
Just show the whole video instead of part of it then wanting money.if you
want to share free instruction then do it on youtybe. Unsubscribed?
Thanks! The consept improves my address a lot ,less hesitating on tee
ground. ?
Hi Chuck, I have some questions about the one plane swing: is the one plane
swing, compared to parallel plane, #1 limited weight shift and transfer, #2
one plane swings arms around body more (unlike the upward motion), and #3
what kind of ball flight is more natural for the one plane swing, the draw
or the fade? Thanks! I am also thinking about joining the membership but I
want to create a one plane swing and saw that RST is more two plane for
most people. What do you think? Thanks again!
Thanks, Ian!
1. You could do either in a one plane swing. 2. The arms will travel around
the body more. 3. Ideally, the path would be “zeroed” out, so it would be
just as likely for a fade or a draw. Same for a 2 plane. With one plane,
you are limiting your distance and must be flexible in your shoulders. If
you don’t have a lot of distance to spare I wouldn’t recommend it. We would
be somewhere between one plane and two plane. Very similar to what you
would see with Adam Scott or Tiger Woods. ~Clay Ballard
Do you think dropping the club down to the inside like Rory does is a more
powerful move?
Great vid thanks 😉
Thanks John! ~Clay Ballard
(cont) … The clubhead is controlled by a complex set of levers and
fulcrums …. to attempt to reduce it something simple such as single lever
(or even two) is the undermine the complex marriage of body parts. Just as
with the shaft droop, the lines of force cannot be made to pass cleanly
through a plane or “planes” Some methods try (Moe”s) but fail to deliver
ultimate performance by losing out somewhere. IMO, of course 🙂
Having seen the term “Rotary Swing” I came here expecting a “method” and
the same old spin. However, I was pleasantly surprised by what I found. In
an era where the is so much zealous promotion of various methods … all
seeming to claim the high ground … it’s nice to see some good balanced
analysis for a change. We are all individuals … methods do not
necessarily “map” to our bodies nor our psychological make-up. Will watch
the videos and good luck to you 🙂
I don’t quite understand the ‘droop’ concept does that mean I should have
my starting position of club to ball more lined up with the heel to take
droop into account when returning to impact?
No, you will automatically do this. You won’t need to make any changes. The
lie angle of the club already compensated for this.
Thanks SearchBucket2. Good luck with your golf game. You will get a lot of
great free instruction when you sign up for a free membership. You can
click the link in the description of this video above. You get new videos
every week and there is no cost to you at all. Good Luck!! ~Clay Ballard.
Not sure. It is probably around 2010. He still swings this way in regards
to club plane. ~Clay Ballard
No, he is just flattening the plane of the club. This has nothing to do
with power. If you were to get under the plane and stuck, you could flip
the club and get some extra distance, but that would be really
inconsistent.
Cool video
The last post was by me, Clay, by the way. I forgot to make a note of that.
I believe there are 4 “planes” maybe more (hips?)…. and an arm rotation!
Spine, shoulders, arms and club shaft. The spine controls the track of
shoulders. The shoulders control the track of the arms. The arms control
the track of shaft. The shaft controls the track of the clubhead. Different
swing methods are different ways these motions can be expressed, but the
path the clubhead is always a blend of these movements with subtle curves;
the swing is not reducible to 1 or 2 planes. IMO 😉
I couldn’t agree more. Swing plane is very over rated. Jack Nicklaus, Tiger
Woods and Ben Hogan all had very different swing planes throughout the
swing. But coming through impact they are all on the elbow plane. The real
keys to success lie in the movement of the body. When you control the body
properly, everything else falls into place. We go over all of this on the
full site. You would really enjoy the videos. Good luck with your swing.
~Clay Ballard