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Good article..agree
You would want to use a lower lofted club with a little more forward shaft
lean. I would recommend the lowest loft possible to get the ball to land
4-5 feet on the green and then have the ball roll out to the hole. You will
adjust the club based on the amount of green to work with and the distance
of the shot. ~Clay Ballard
and if you want the ball to not check up?
Thank you
I am sure he releases the club then holds it off in the follow through, the
difference being his takeaway and approach are steeper, but with the ball
forwards and the face open he compensates for the vertical attack, his
method is more brisk and aggressive! just watch him( i mean come on Clay!)
I agree, this is definitely not the hinge and hold technique. I was only
referring to the fact that the hinge and hold method is actually a hinge
and small release. I have had students come in that are hitting the ball
very heavy trying that method, since they are not getting any release and
chopping down on the ball. I didn’t want other players to have the same
struggles and hit fat shots. ~This is Rotary Swing instructor Clay Ballard
answering this question, just to be clear.
Yes but his angle of approach is not shallow, its steeper, his club does
not follow a long and shallow path as your method does, thats what i am
talking about and thats what Phils is talking about and thats what hes
telling people to “run from”, nothing personal here Clay i’m simply
pointing out the difference.
am I the only one watching this?
This is very similar to the technique Phil uses. He is referring to the no
hinge approach, when he says steer clear. Like the putting approach a lot
of people teach. You are still hinging here too. Phil says he holds the
angle, but in reality he releases the club, just like all great golfers.
You can watch this on many slow motion videos of him chipping. In reality
Phil uses the “hinge and small release” method just like this. I admit
hinge and hold, sounds a lot better. ~Clay Ballard
The first one is much more difficult. ~Clay Ballard
Good luck to you too! I haven’t had a good discussion about pitching in a
while. Glad to see someone that is very adamant about their short game. I
always like when someone challenges anything I promote, since it makes me
look into it further and back up what I believe in with facts rather than
statements. I found out some good info about Phil’s angle of attack and
release angles that I can use in the future. I enjoyed it. Good luck with
your game!! ~Clay Ballard
Thank you.
We are on the same page. I just wanted to make it clear that in Phil’s
method there is a release and not only holding that angle. I have watched a
lot of slow motion video of Phil with the wedge and he releases the club. I
just measured his release (from his hinge and hold tutorial) and he
releases the angle of the club 57 degrees while demonstrating the hinge and
hold technique. Again, I am not bashing Phil, I like Phil, only want to be
clear on the motion he is making. ~Clay Ballard
I think you are focusing only on the words and less on the technique that
is being shown. If you watch the technique being demonstrated here, the
hands are over the ball and the club is lagging behind a good foot and a
half behind. This is nearly identical to the angle of attack Phil
demonstrates. They are coming in with the same angle of attack. Phil talks
about how he doesn’t like the “no wrist” instruction that is out there and
Chuck is talking about how he is not a fan of putting (cont.)
@Chuck, Phil breaks his wrist DIRECTLY off the ball, which sets up for a
steeper decent into impact, not long and shallow like you’ve demonstrated
in this video, he moves the ball more forward in his stance and by having a
steeper decent into impact he gets more spin and can be more aggressive on
the shorter shots, sorry but what your teaching is not Phil’s hinge and
hold technique.
That is all I am saying. He is actually releasing the club. The downswing
in both methods are almost the same. Both have the “hinge” as you are
coming down, both release that hinge, both use the bounce through the turf.
The description is different, but many of the same things are happening.
Phil comes in very shallow through impact with his hinge and hold method.
The downswing is steep, because his hands are far forward. (cont.)
Also, just to add. Phils quote from the video was that if someone tells you
to swing the club very far back, or to lock your wrists, go see someone
else. We wouldn’t recommend either of these moves either, and would agree
with Phil. If someone tells you to lock your wrists, or make a long
backswing while chipping, I would not take their advice. ~Clay Ballard
.Great video.The point of this video is about utilizing the “bounce” in a
wedge. The engineers put it there for a good reason and that reason is not
cosmetic. It’s scientific. Bounce prevents digging, which minimizes fat
shots. There are times when a shallow approach like this (no wrist cock) is
useful(tight lies for ex.) but in the rough (to minimize grass getting
between ball and club) a steeper approach (using wrist cocking and
uncocking….Phil’s “hinge and hold) is preferable IMO.
I play a lot of links golf see lots of guys skulling there ball or thinning
. . depends on your lie depends on your chip. . . PS why do folks compare
themselves to Phil Mickleson he spends 8 hours a day on his short game. .
I hope not, haha!! ~Clay Ballard
Cheers mate enjoyed it to, just for the record i believe phils approach is
more vertical not long and shallow like your method, thats all, let others
challenge our differences if they wish, i’m done, bye.
Good luck to you to Clay, i stand by my comments…..
The bottom line is if it works for you or others, stay with it 🙂
peace…….
(cont.) the ball way back in the stance and coming down steep. Pause Phil’s
hands when they are over the ball and do the same for Chuck and you will
see both of their clubs in the same spot in the downswing, coming in at the
same angle. If you are getting good action on your pitch shots and they are
checking up after a couple of bounces and stopping, then you are most
likely doing this move correctly also. Good luck with your game Dreama40!
~Clay Ballard
Interesting but the complete opposite of what Phil Mickelson teaches, he
says that when someone teaches you this method of a shallow approach to
impact, quote “You got to run people!, and find someone who knows what
there talking about” end quote. Phils method is proven at the highest
level(many times), Phil wins! Hinge and Hold!!!