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Barry, you might have a point there. Did not see it from that angle. Thanks
for your well-rounded comments, Peter
Barry, got it. Thanks. In 1976 at my home club the regional mini tour had
come and us youngsters were of course following our local pro playing. At
hole #4 he landed right in the rough but luckily for him in a GUR. He took
his ball to the NPR and dropped it within one club length. However, he
deliberately dropped it twice on an area where a stone was and after two
drops=huge bounces he declared that now he had the right to place the
ball… Maybe according to the rule but not the spirit of golf
Divedown25, If you carry a left-handed club and regularly use it
left-handed then determining the NPR for a left-handed person and playing
from there left-handed would not be “a clearly unreasonable stroke “.
However, I have never experienced anyone who has done this and suggest that
for 99.9% of right-handed golfers the exception that I quoted in my
previous email would apply and so they must drop at the NPR for their
customary right-handed stroke. Barry
Divedown25, I am not sure that I can agree with you there. The Rules often
work against players, so I have no problem when they use them to their
advantage. Also, the result of dropping a ball on a stone is by no means
certain; the result may not be what is desired. Barry
Another situation came to my mind. Assuming that me as a right handed
player find the situation where I have those two trees in front of me after
a drop, can I drop as a left handed player and play the following shot as
left handed by using a normal right handed club twisted as I have seen pros
do when tight to a tree?
Hi Barry, thanks for answer. Got the fairway/green clear for me. Still
unclear the right handed vs left handed. I understand that as right handed
i should drop on the left side but if I opt to play next shot as left
handed, can I drop myself out of GUR to the right then? Assume I use a
right handed club cleverly or even carry s left handed iron among my 14
allowed clubs.
Hi Barry, thanks for vids. If the GUR is in Rough or Semi-rough but when
dropping the ball within one club length the player will be able to drop on
fairway or even green, is that allowed or do the ball after a drop have to
rest in “same” condition as where the GUR is?
Divedown25, A player taking relief from GUR in the rough may drop a ball on
the fairway, providing it is within the permitted dropping area. They may
not drop a ball on the putting green (see Rule 25-1b(i), Barry
Divedown25, No, An Exception to Rule 25 (Abnormal Ground Conditions) and
Rule 24 (Immovable Obstructions) states; “A player may not take relief
under this Rule if (a) interference by anything other than an abnormal
ground condition makes the stroke clearly impracticable or (b) interference
by an abnormal ground condition would occur only through use of a clearly
unreasonable stroke or an unnecessarily abnormal stance, swing or direction
of play.” Barry
@andersmic This is hard to describe without a diagram, but remember that
the player must drop the ball within one club-length of the nearest point
of relief, not nearer the hole. This means that the imaginary arc in which
the player may drop their ball will be at an angle running approximately
south-east of the nearest point of relief. Barry
Yes – well presented.
@glowgolfer @glowgolfer No, If you read the section on taking relief
abnormal ground conditions, such as GUR, (Rule 25-1b) you will see the
following words; “Through the Green: If the ball lies through the green,
the player must lift the ball and drop it, without penalty, within one
club-length of and not nearer the hole than the nearest point of relief.
The nearest point of relief must not be in a hazard or on a putting green.
Barry
@LRP6 This was removed from Rule 24-2b in 2000. It was replaced by Note 3:
“The Committee may make a Local Rule stating that the player must determine
the nearest point of relief without crossing over, through or under the
obstruction.” Barry
Jeff, No, the relief is only from the GUR. A tree is not an immovable
obstruction, it is a natural feature of the course and there is no relief
from it. The player must play to the side of it. Barry
@glowgolfer This is one of those situations where you have to know all the
facts of the situation before you can make a ruling. Read the Exception to
Rule 24-2b, Relief from Immovable Obstruction and you will see that you
cannot claim relief if the interference by an immovable obstruction would
occur only through use of an unnecessarily abnormal stance, swing or
direction of play. The same applies to any other time you are determining
the nearest point of relief. Barry
Well spotted! My mistake, but I hope that you understand the point that I
was trying to make. Barry Rhodes
Hey Barry, I have seen on another site, a definition of NPR from an
immovable object It stated- ‘the spot or point of nearest relief must be
determined without crossing over, under, or through the immovable
obstruction. The exception where crossing over, through, or under does not
apply is to cart paths or artificial surfaces’ Where in the Rules is this
mentioned?
Barry Can you contact me please. golfcoursevisualtour
@9ty9 Thanks Barry. Your answer may have caused a few grumbles but at least
now we have definitive answer. Cheers Bob P
Thaks Barry. One question though – if the hole location were right in front
of the arrow, dropping on the right side of the GUR would actually move the
ball closer to the hole. Is that in violation of the “not nearer to the
hole” or is that only coming into consideration when dropping the ball
AFTER having found the nearest point of relief?
Why is the NPR as presented in the second example not on the bottom side of
the GUR?
The ball once it strikes the ground within that club length, may then roll
up to two club lengths from that point, but not closer to hole than relief
pt. So the lucky guy has that ball hit near the one club length out, then
roll just under two club lengths farther away from where it hit, to avoid
the tree. usga rule 20-2 c vi. Also, when taking stance to determine
nearest point relief, must use club youwould hit, but then use a driver to
measure the one clublength from there.
great video barry. question: supposing that after one drops from the npr,
the ball settles in such a spot where the tree in your diagram interferes
with his intended swing or stance. could the player then invoke the
immovable obstruction rule, allowing him to take free relief? thanks!