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  1. the shaft plane is one of the worst ideas ever brought into golf.Hogan
    never talked about it. Hogan’s plane was from the ball to his shoulders.
    The clubhead never leaves this backswing plane but the shaft will not
    arrive on this plane until the hands are waist high.?

  2. There are a couple of things that all these swing analysers, including you,
    fail to mention.

    First, the lines you draw on 2D images can only represent the angle of
    plane if observing from a precise point on that plane. Given that Moe
    Norman used a closed stance, this can’t be true here, so using a line to
    represent the plane is inaccurate.

    Second, all the ‘keeping on plane’ and ‘timing’ is directly related to
    muscle strength, primarily of the arms, hence grip. In my experience, all
    the best golfers can grip a club like a vice and would likely be capable of
    causing physical injury if they squeezed fully during a handshake. Whether
    this is natural, a consequence of all the practice, or a combination, is
    beside the point. The fact is, if you don’t have strong arms you are never,
    ever going to be able to repeat a swing accurately to the extent of these
    guys.

    Basically, the average golfer is chasing an illusion that we can only hope
    to emulate once in a thousand shots, if that.?

  4. Find a way to drop the club into the slot and throw your hands at the ball.
    I just summed up all you need to know about the swing. 🙂

    No, just kidding.

    Then again….all you need to do is learn how to drop the club into the
    slot…..like these two did so well.

    To me, that is the hardest thing to “master” in the golf swing. ?

  6. I am thoroughly convinced all the great players knew just how important the
    transition was, and I think it is key to great ball striking…?

  8. you could tell in he was struggling with the grips on most of those later
    clubs….he really had an advantage with his old octopus grips.?

  9. Neither of these guys learned their swing intuitively, rather, it took
    thousands of hours of visualization and practice. Moe said in another of
    Kirk’s videos that he got his swing from Manuel de la Torre’s father,
    Angel, Manuel and Edward Jones.
    Correction on the second name, it was Ernest Jones not Edward Jones. He was
    from the UK and lost his right leg, below the knee in 1915 as a soldier. He
    spent four months in the hospital, then went to the golf course on crutches
    and shot 83 !!! A short while afterwards, he was playing par 72 golf, once
    again. He was a golf club maker and then, later, a teacher. He says
    everyone’s swing will be slightly different but to “swing the clubhead”,
    brush the grass, and the brain will figure out the mechanics to hit the
    ball — just like we all use a hammer to hit a nail. Like Sir Walter
    Simpson in 1887, he said, “…we don’t need to know how every component in
    a watch functions to know how to use the watch and tell time.” As I
    understand, you swing both arms (arms = from the elbow up to the shoulder)
    together as a ‘fixed unit’ — it is a ‘club / tool based’ concept rather
    than a ‘body, bone / muscle based’ concept. Visualization is a very key
    feature of this golf method !!! Absolutely fascinating to me… but I
    prefer Moe’s version of the Single Plane concept versus Hogan’s style,
    because I’m 66-yrs old and never had knee or back injuries / surgeries
    since I started this project 12-yrs ago, and definitely don’t want them in
    the future ….?

  13. Thanks for posting this great video! I have been studying and attempting to
    emulate Hogan’s swing and while there are lots of comparisons made between
    Hogan and Norman, this is the only side-by-side comparison of their swings
    that I’ve seen which clearly shows the differences. Good stuff!?

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